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SloggingScotsman
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 Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:41 pm Post subject: 12 years to Climate Change Armageddon |
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So this UN report.
Will we as a global people sort our stuff out over the next decade?
Sadly I am not holding my breath. Too many vested interests, egos, opportunists power grabs, fear of change, comfort zones, echo chambers, la de la de la.
Sadly I doubt that we are sufficiently evolved as a species to place nationalism and relative advantage to one side, for the greater good. Would love to be proved wrong though. This is one area where I have hope, but no real expectation.
Will our planet get renamed Water or Fire or choke?
I mean come our we can’t even get a government to work as a team far less a planet.
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GrahamO
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Just like the UN report from some mad bint (Sorry ladies) from crime ridden Brazil called Raquel Rolnik .... yeah, we should treat UN reports seriously 
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mattsurf
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We should take climate change seriously. I don't see how the fact the UN spends 320m on flights is terribly relevant
And clearly any report written by a woman or a report written by someone in the developing world immediately invalidates it.
I really do not understand people who deny climate change.... Lets say that climate change is being overstated, what exactly is the downside of becoming more efficient and emitting less waste? Now lets say that climate change is a serious threat, what is the consequence of ignoring it
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| mattsurf wrote: | We should take climate change seriously. I don't see how the fact the UN spends 320m on flights is terribly relevant
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deary me...
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I really do not understand people who deny climate change.... Lets say that climate change is being overstated, what exactly is the downside of becoming more efficient and emitting less waste? Now lets say that climate change is a serious threat, what is the consequence of ignoring it |
all in favour...with an emphasis on ALL...
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Why don't we focus on birth control rather than worrying about which car we drive or how many air miles we do? Global 1 family 1 child solution is what is needed and if we are really that bothered the technology already exists to limit reproduction - nobody has to invent anything new. Failing that then population control via natural causes will be along pretty soon anyway, so it will all work out fine in the end, not that many of us here today will be around to see the worst of it anyway.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Tony Stark wrote: | | Why don't we focus on birth control rather than worrying about which car we drive or how many air miles we do? Global 1 family 1 child solution is what is needed and if we are really that bothered the technology already exists to limit reproduction - nobody has to invent anything new. Failing that then population control via natural causes will be along pretty soon anyway, so it will all work out fine in the end, not that many of us here today will be around to see the worst of it anyway. |
we already have a degree of birth control in place...in part cultural, but mostly economic...
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GrahamO
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| mattsurf wrote: | We should take climate change seriously. I don't see how the fact the UN spends 320m on flights is terribly relevant
And clearly any report written by a woman or a report written by someone in the developing world immediately invalidates it.
I really do not understand people who deny climate change.... Lets say that climate change is being overstated, what exactly is the downside of becoming more efficient and emitting less waste? Now lets say that climate change is a serious threat, what is the consequence of ignoring it |
I don't deny it at all - I just don't think UN reports are anything except politically motivated, poorly supported nonsense from an organisation which has a track record of loony tunes authors.
If you want to be treated seriously then use authors with credibility because the UN hasnt got much. It really hasn't. If people like Trump want to deny it, then its like shooting fish in a barrel to pick fault and discredit the content.
There are plenty of very credible, verifiable reports which are more thna neough - but when anything comes out of the UN, its not realy credible when you have such politically motivated 'authors'.
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SloggingScotsman
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| GrahamO wrote: |
I don't deny it at all - I just don't think UN reports are anything except politically motivated, poorly supported nonsense from an organisation which has a track record of loony tunes authors. |
Wow! Tell us what you really think. Can you substantiate these three accusations GrahamO?
| Quote: | | If you want to be treated seriously then use authors with credibility because the UN hasnt got much. It really hasn't. |
the U.N. does have its issues that is for sure (some appalling), but it is one organisation that works hard to recognise that we are all people sharing our planet. Who better to lead on such global issues?
| Quote: | | but when anything comes out of the UN, its not realy credible when you have such politically motivated 'authors'. |
GrahamO is there one report that has got your goose, or do you really think that everything output from the U.N. is like you say?
This isn’t aimed at you GrahamO, but generally there seems to be two types of people in our world (and people can move between them as their life changes) those who basically say “we are all humans sharing this planet” and those who say “sod you i’m OK Jack.”
With 200 nations and how ever many corporations, that’s a lot of “Sod you I’m ok Jack.” The U.N. seems to be one of the few places in our world that at least tries to say “look we are one people sharing one planet let’s try to get along and make the best of it.”
Perhaps it really is time for the Homo branch of life to take another evolutionary leap. Erectus, Sapien, Sens8  (it’s a fun Netflix series, but you can also see the evolution of Homo (ie us) from Palentology, though that stops here and now only looking at the past).
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| SloggingScotsman wrote: | | GrahamO wrote: |
I don't deny it at all - I just don't think UN reports are anything except politically motivated, poorly supported nonsense from an organisation which has a track record of loony tunes authors. |
Wow! Tell us what you really think. Can you substantiate these three accusations GrahamO?
| Quote: | | If you want to be treated seriously then use authors with credibility because the UN hasnt got much. It really hasn't. |
the U.N. does have its issues that is for sure (some appalling), but it is one organisation that works hard to recognise that we are all people sharing our planet. Who better to lead on such global issues?
| Quote: | | but when anything comes out of the UN, its not realy credible when you have such politically motivated 'authors'. |
GrahamO is there one report that has got your goose, or do you really think that everything output from the U.N. is like you say?
This isn’t aimed at you GrahamO, but generally there seems to be two types of people in our world (and people can move between them as their life changes) those who basically say “we are all humans sharing this planet” and those who say “sod you i’m OK Jack.”
With 200 nations and how ever many corporations, that’s a lot of “Sod you I’m ok Jack.” The U.N. seems to be one of the few places in our world that at least tries to say “look we are one people sharing one planet let’s try to get along and make the best of it.”
Perhaps it really is time for the Homo branch of life to take another evolutionary leap. Erectus, Sapien, Sens8 (it’s a fun Netflix series, but you can also see the evolution of Homo (ie us) from Palentology, though that stops here and now only looking at the past). |
They are an organisation that points out fault with others and then goes to lunch. They have failed spectacularly with their original remit and have successfully expanded to create a whole host of other self appointed remits...a great example of mission creep if ever there was one that gets great support from the other international elites, pseudo elites and wannabe elites.
I would add to your category of people...there are those who know that we are sharing a planet and do something; there are those who know that we are sharing a planet and want you to do something, and there are those who would like and need a share of the spoils...
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SloggingScotsman
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Those who do something.
Which for people like me is pretty much limited to generating thought. Which I have been doing for decades now.
Those who want others to do something
Possibly because they don’t know what to do. Effectively.
Those who want to share the spoils
That is normal human nature.
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Jorgan
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What the UN says or does on this is almost irrelevant; it's what World leaders do that counts. Legislation to mitigate for climate change is what matters.
Even compared to 20 years ago, we do recycle a lot more waste, and electric/hybrid cars are becoming more commonplace. But it takes time. But Govts need to incentivise greener behaviours from business; supermarket packaging still seems like low-hanging fruit as a starter for 10.
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I am amazed by the sheer cluelessness around this whole topic.
Recycling in itself is not a solution - glass for example, takes more energy and co2 to recycle than to produce new.
Electric cars are an abysmal idea. At the end of their useful life we will be left with a massive problem and nobody seems to discuss the energy used in production of these vehicles (far higher than conventional cars)
We just need to consume differently. That will have an incredible effect.
People need to stop buying lots of the cheapest crap possible and start buying a few things that they can love, cherish and keep.
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GrahamO
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| jayski wrote: | | I am amazed by the sheer cluelessness around this whole topic. |
Its Tritalk - not MENSA 
Anyway, one has to live in the real world so your suggestion will never work.
And until you can figure out how to make 6 billion people change their entire lives, then wringing your hands won't do anything.
The enemy of Good, is The Best, so demanding the best from everyone will get you absolutely nowhere.
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