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Gus
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| Gus wrote: | Ah yes, but usually in these cases when it goes quiet, it means something's really happening...
Sloggers must've been secretly poached by MI6, or CIA, or Mossad, or FSB or, or, someone.
Perhaps.
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Come on, Sloggers, don't be modest.
I knew you went quiet for a reason.
It was you, wasn't it?
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SloggingScotsman
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Well I do now ask my potential future son in law if he is FSB or GRU, Spratsnik?, an illegal in the U.K., or simply a Raven.
Fortunately he sees the funny side of it. 
You should have seen his face when he asked to look at my viewing work, before giving it a go himself. Ejc will be pleased to hear that he wasn’t impressed even with my best work (which is linked on here somewhere on YouTube, Teressa Marshall Frisch site). He didn’t get far, but he was soon in denial after I asked him, why did you feel 🥵 or 🥶 (I don’t remember which offhand), and he replied something like “because that’s what I felt”. I smiled. His Denial soon set in.
Serious point he, as a Russian is far more sceptical and unimpressed than the Americans or South Africans etc who have taken a serious in person interest when bumping into me, interest in my work.
Gus re the Sub, it doesn’t surprise me that America found it, they have top notch viewers who train the global viewing community, mathematicians, computers, and importantly oceographic sensor data. So, using my approach they are one of a handful of countries who could make it work.
Would be interesting to find out exactly how they did find it.
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GrahamO
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| SloggingScotsman wrote: | ...... and importantly oceographic sensor data.....
Would be interesting to find out exactly how they did find it. |
You answered the question, as they had already stated at the time.
No mystery at all - just underwater microphones listening for subs pick up such things including underwater landslides.
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/2000GL012545
!7 years ago they knew that answer and only conspiracy/nut jobs of the highest order believe there is any more answers needed.
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SloggingScotsman
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| GrahamO wrote: | | SloggingScotsman wrote: | ...... and importantly oceographic sensor data.....
Would be interesting to find out exactly how they did find it. |
You answered the question, as they had already stated at the time.
No mystery at all - just underwater microphones listening for subs pick up such things including underwater landslides.
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/2000GL012545
!7 years ago they knew that answer and only conspiracy/nut jobs of the highest order believe there is any more answers needed. |
GrahamO
My all time favourite university course I did was on Oceonography. Absolutely fascinated me.
GrahamO, can I ask you...
1. If it were that easy why was the sub not found immediately? Or the missing Malaysian flight? The latter perhaps because there is a relative lack of sensors in that part of the ocean, but the former? Was it simply politics that prevented America coughing up the information?
2. Just because you believe conspiracies may be true does not make you a nut job. It may mean that you are willing to consider all sides of an issue. Though you could be a nut job. And are all of those on their death beds who tell tales confirming conspiracies nut jobs? Possibly. But equally possibly some of those highly credible people might just be telling the truth at a point where they have little to loose. One of the easiest ways to hide something is to make the other person a laughing stock conspiracy nut job. (In another context That’s failed spectacularly re Corbyn and character assassination interestingly) It’s one of the oldest tricks in the book, that is becoming less effective every year because (1) credible death bed whistleblowers, (2) human evolutionary progress, (3) people generally becoming less believing of the establishments words. A great example here, from all sides, is the stuff politicians say about Brexit. So come on GrahamO do you not think that your conclusion here might be a little harsh?
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Tigger
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| GrahamO wrote: | | !7 years ago they knew that answer |
You mean 68 years ago. Google Project Hartwell.
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explorerJC
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| SloggingScotsman wrote: | | explorerJC wrote: | | Gus wrote: | | Did Sloggers predict some digits that have since been removed? |
indeed...there has been some judicious editing going on  |
let me address this before Ejc starts his, in my opinion, bullying tirades again.
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astonishing...
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SloggingScotsman
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Tigger wrote: | | GrahamO wrote: | | !7 years ago they knew that answer |
You mean 68 years ago. Google Project Hartwell. |
as I asked above, if it was that easy, why the dithering in finding it? Politics?
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explorerJC
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| SloggingScotsman wrote: | | GrahamO wrote: | | SloggingScotsman wrote: | ...... and importantly oceographic sensor data.....
Would be interesting to find out exactly how they did find it. |
You answered the question, as they had already stated at the time.
No mystery at all - just underwater microphones listening for subs pick up such things including underwater landslides.
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/2000GL012545
!7 years ago they knew that answer and only conspiracy/nut jobs of the highest order believe there is any more answers needed. |
GrahamO
My all time favourite university course I did was on Oceonography. Absolutely fascinated me.
GrahamO, can I ask you...
1. If it were that easy why was the sub not found immediately? Or the missing Malaysian flight? The latter perhaps because there is a relative lack of sensors in that part of the ocean, but the former? Was it simply politics that prevented America coughing up the information?
2. Just because you believe conspiracies may be true does not make you a nut job. It may mean that you are willing to consider all sides of an issue. Though you could be a nut job. And are all of those on their death beds who tell tales confirming conspiracies nut jobs? Possibly. But equally possibly some of those highly credible people might just be telling the truth at a point where they have little to loose. One of the easiest ways to hide something is to make the other person a laughing stock conspiracy nut job. (In another context That’s failed spectacularly re Corbyn and character assassination interestingly) It’s one of the oldest tricks in the book, that is becoming less effective every year because (1) credible death bed whistleblowers, (2) human evolutionary progress, (3) people generally becoming less believing of the establishments words. A great example here, from all sides, is the stuff politicians say about Brexit. So come on GrahamO do you not think that your conclusion here might be a little harsh? |
Or of course just willing to see one side...that of the conspiracy....
Or those people could just be talking rubbish when they have nothing to lose...
Corbin is still a laughing stock...he is just more camouflaged by all the others at present...
Not sure what evolution has to do with this topic either...
edited for autocorrect
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GrahamO
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Sloggers - its so simple, but you make thinsg complicated.
1. They only just started looking for it as surprise surprise, nobody had the money or the boat to go looking the following day. They had a few hundered suare miles ot acoustically scan and again suprsie, suprise, its difficult at depth.
2. Yes it does. Its the very definition.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its a duck - and claiming its a spy dressed like a duck is lunacy.
Its not 'a side of an issue' except in the fevered mind of the deranged.
Corbyn is a laughing stock - in everything he does and everything he says. He's just like a senile old relative that some of us have, who is kept away from family events because he's an embarrassment, but in the case of Corbyn he got where he is because the mainstream realised they couldnt get voted into power with labour policies and track record, and so backed off, leaving the lunatics in charge.
All Corbyn has been good for is identifying who should be purged once he loses again. In some ways he's a combination of the SWP, Derek Hatton and the GLA - all of whom had to be removed before Labour could occupy a centre left electable position.
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SloggingScotsman
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“Study shows 60% of Britons believe in conspiracy theories” Guardian.
Just saying.
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SloggingScotsman
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| explorerJC wrote: | | SloggingScotsman wrote: | “Study shows 60% of Britons believe in conspiracy theories” Guardian.
Just saying. |
perhaps, but did the Guardian say which ones? |
yes, per the Guardian. “In the UK, people who supported Brexit were considerably more likely to give credence to conspiracy theories than those who opposed it, with 71% of leave voters believing at least one theory compared with 49% of remain voters.”.
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explorerJC
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| SloggingScotsman wrote: | | explorerJC wrote: | | SloggingScotsman wrote: | “Study shows 60% of Britons believe in conspiracy theories” Guardian.
Just saying. |
perhaps, but did the Guardian say which ones? |
yes, per the Guardian. “In the UK, people who supported Brexit were considerably more likely to give credence to conspiracy theories than those who opposed it, with 71% of leave voters believing at least one theory compared with 49% of remain voters.”. |
so, no then...
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Gus
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SloggingScotsman
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Gus I have replied.
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