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Pedro Peru
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It's really odd though IMO. They're basically cheating at training. I might take some '50kg' stickers to put on the 10kg plates at the gym.
As a zwift neophite it was a surprise, especially with this guy as I know he has ambitions of getting KQ fast.
Anyway i'll be on there again tonight looking to see if I can ride a flat route to do my own intervals on. I need to test my FTP with the new trainer so I can set it accurately for that. Not sure my 450W off the powertap is that useful 
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Jorgan
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| Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| mattsurf wrote: | | I think that many of us know a Zwift doper, but out in the real world they become our targets |
Meh, not much of a target in my experience 
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jibberjim
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| Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Pedro Peru wrote: | | It's really odd though IMO. They're basically cheating at training. I might take some '50kg' stickers to put on the 10kg plates at the gym. |
There's no cheating at training at all, they still do the training, indeed it's possible that they get more appropriate training due to the way different trainers control resistance and its realism.
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Pedro Peru
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| Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| jibberjim wrote: | | Pedro Peru wrote: | | It's really odd though IMO. They're basically cheating at training. I might take some '50kg' stickers to put on the 10kg plates at the gym. |
There's no cheating at training at all, they still do the training, indeed it's possible that they get more appropriate training due to the way different trainers control resistance and its realism. |
I don't think anyone is saying they're 64kg when they're not so their smart trainer adjusts the resistance more appropriately. I accept your point that they may still be doing their training though.
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Jorgan
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| Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Dropped early today on a flat 4-lap race; last week I hung with front group until last lap, but dropped lap1 today! I ended-up sandbagging in second group for far too long, and we got caught by a big group with about 4k to go. Tried to jump them on an incline again with 2k to go, but group was too big/strong. Should have tried to drop the smaller group much earlier - hey ho! Ended-up 18w down on last week's effort. Definitely a bit more tired this week anyway.
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Flat 2 lap race in NY, Raced with "B" group, despite nominally 3.2-3.9w/kg, my average was 4.1w/kg. I stuck with the lead group of 10, flats were fine, but surges on the short up hills were insane, I am convinced that this is how the experienced Zwifters break the groups, once on the flat the effort drops enough to catch your breath, however, on one hill I did drop 1s off the back and had to work like mad for 30s to get back on the peloton, luckily I had a drafting bonus to give me a short recovery when I was back on
As usual I couldn't hold the sprinters in the last 200m, but a 6th place finish is OK. Even though my w/kg were the highest in the lead group, my max 30s was only 600w compared with over 1000w for the top 3 who sprinted the finish
Bit worried that ZwiftPower is going to move me to "A" as last 2 races have been over 4w/kg - I am only just hanging with the "B"s at the moment
23km, 39m54s, 292W AP 300W NP
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Jorgan
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I raced again today, the 4-lap flat Richmond one. First 6 in B Cat all did >4w/kg. Winner was 356w average iirc  Each week I have successively been dropped earlier in proceedings; it's normally because I'm hanging at the back of the front bunch anyway, and as soon as a gap forms I'm scuppered. I probably need to put that extra 20w or so in to stay mid-pack.
I tried to get away twice on an incline, but couldn't hold off the group of about 12; one time I got a small gap with another guy and he didn't work On the last lap with 2.5k to go I put in a sustained 350w effort to no avail.
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Pedro Peru
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| Jorgan wrote: | I raced again today, the 4-lap flat Richmond one. First 6 in B Cat all did >4w/kg. Winner was 356w average iirc Each week I have successively been dropped earlier in proceedings; it's normally because I'm hanging at the back of the front bunch anyway, and as soon as a gap forms I'm scuppered. I probably need to put that extra 20w or so in to stay mid-pack.
I tried to get away twice on an incline, but couldn't hold off the group of about 12; one time I got a small gap with another guy and he didn't work On the last lap with 2.5k to go I put in a sustained 350w effort to no avail. |
I would have thought Quintana was tired enough in Catalunya to then go on zwift?
I'll probably do an hour or so on zwift tonight, just riding though.
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ttowel
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| mattsurf wrote: | Flat 2 lap race in NY, Raced with "B" group, despite nominally 3.2-3.9w/kg, my average was 4.1w/kg. I stuck with the lead group of 10, flats were fine, but surges on the short up hills were insane, I am convinced that this is how the experienced Zwifters break the groups, once on the flat the effort drops enough to catch your breath, however, on one hill I did drop 1s off the back and had to work like mad for 30s to get back on the peloton, luckily I had a drafting bonus to give me a short recovery when I was back on
As usual I couldn't hold the sprinters in the last 200m, but a 6th place finish is OK. Even though my w/kg were the highest in the lead group, my max 30s was only 600w compared with over 1000w for the top 3 who sprinted the finish
Bit worried that ZwiftPower is going to move me to "A" as last 2 races have been over 4w/kg - I am only just hanging with the "B"s at the moment
23km, 39m54s, 292W AP 300W NP |
Seems that way, consistently coming down the order with highest power and highest w/kg but on a wattbike, the transition from flat to hills kills me. Both due to the momentum penalty, and the fact that I cannot sustain 10+ w/kg for long.
The Innsbruck circuit is a killer for me. Managed to break away on a final lap, get 10 seconds to see it all evaporate at the hill when riders are 10-12 w/kg. Can hang on for the sprint but come nowhere. Best chance for me is to attack with 5k to go and need about 330w plus to stay ahead.
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Jorgan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| ttowel wrote: | Seems that way, consistently coming down the order with highest power and highest w/kg but on a wattbike, the transition from flat to hills kills me. Both due to the momentum penalty, and the fact that I cannot sustain 10+ w/kg for long.
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Is that a Wattbike at home or the gym? Just wondering how you connected to Zwift using the WB.
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| I did the Zwift "Long FTP Test" last night and got a new PB for the 20 minute test by over 15W. Not sure I 100% believe the result, so will do a couple of test sessions with the new FTP numbers, but a good sign that things are going in the right direction.
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Jorgan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| TriSam wrote: | | I did the Zwift "Long FTP Test" last night and got a new PB for the 20 minute test by over 15W. Not sure I 100% believe the result, so will do a couple of test sessions with the new FTP numbers, but a good sign that things are going in the right direction. |
What don't you believe, the power meter/trainer?
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| Jorgan wrote: | | ttowel wrote: | Seems that way, consistently coming down the order with highest power and highest w/kg but on a wattbike, the transition from flat to hills kills me. Both due to the momentum penalty, and the fact that I cannot sustain 10+ w/kg for long.
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Is that a Wattbike at home or the gym? Just wondering how you connected to Zwift using the WB. |
Does the Wattbike not Bluetooth to your tablet or phone?
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Jorgan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| Whisk wrote: | | Jorgan wrote: | | ttowel wrote: | Seems that way, consistently coming down the order with highest power and highest w/kg but on a wattbike, the transition from flat to hills kills me. Both due to the momentum penalty, and the fact that I cannot sustain 10+ w/kg for long.
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Is that a Wattbike at home or the gym? Just wondering how you connected to Zwift using the WB. |
Does the Wattbike not Bluetooth to your tablet or phone? |
I'm just wondering if I could Zwift in the gym, connecting it to my phone/app. I assume I'd need to use 4G/data though.
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Pedro Peru
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| Jorgan wrote: | | TriSam wrote: | | I did the Zwift "Long FTP Test" last night and got a new PB for the 20 minute test by over 15W. Not sure I 100% believe the result, so will do a couple of test sessions with the new FTP numbers, but a good sign that things are going in the right direction. |
What don't you believe, the power meter/trainer? |
I need to retest as I'm no longer using the powertap and the flux is the only measure I have now. I'm sure I'm fitter than my last test but the numbers won't necessarily port over directly.
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